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		<title>By: Ars Mathematica &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tropical Geometry</title>
		<link>http://www.arsmathematica.net/2005/10/09/semiring-analogies/#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ars Mathematica &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tropical Geometry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] We&#8217;ve discussed semirings before. One interesting application is tropical geometry, which studies the analogue of algebraic varieties over the max-plus semiring (sometimes known as the tropical semiring). Grigory Mikhalkin has posted a survey article on the subject, Tropical geometry and its applications, to arXiv. (The &#8220;applications&#8221; of the title are applications to ordinary algebraic geometry.) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] We&#8217;ve discussed semirings before. One interesting application is tropical geometry, which studies the analogue of algebraic varieties over the max-plus semiring (sometimes known as the tropical semiring). Grigory Mikhalkin has posted a survey article on the subject, Tropical geometry and its applications, to arXiv. (The &ldquo;applications&rdquo; of the title are applications to ordinary algebraic geometry.) [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
		<link>http://www.arsmathematica.net/2005/10/09/semiring-analogies/#comment-149</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 04:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops.  I initially started with max-plus, but when I saw that sigfpe was min-plus, I changed it (but apparently not quite everywhere).  Now fixed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops.  I initially started with max-plus, but when I saw that sigfpe was min-plus, I changed it (but apparently not quite everywhere).  Now fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: ansobol</title>
		<link>http://www.arsmathematica.net/2005/10/09/semiring-analogies/#comment-143</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Strictly speaking, in the third example you have to take infinite _infima_, not suprema; you have also to add a minus infinity to ensure they exist (or restrict to bounded sets).  With the latter provision (summing only bounded infinite subsets) all three examples you give enjoy the &quot;easy summability&quot; property.  This observation has been systematically developed by the French school (where sigfpe&#039;s knowledge comes from) and by Russians including [Grigory Litvinov](http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0009128).

The subject is indeed fascinating, and therefore it has been rediscovered several times under different names.  The most recent incarnation is called &quot;tropical math&quot; and deals mostly with algebraic geometry; the idea is basically that max-plus algebraic geometry deals with convex polygones instead of algebraic curves.  There is a little known [arXiv article](http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0005163) by Oleg Viro, which makes for a very good and readable introduction into the &quot;tropical algebraic geometry.&quot;  More recent literature can easily be found in arXiv if you look for keywords such as &quot;tropical&quot; and &quot;amoeba&quot;; I also keep a bibliography [at CiteULike](http://www.citeulike.org/user/ansobol/tag/tropical); sorry for the plug :-)

A very complete bibliography up to the late 1990s exists at [StÃ©phane Gaubert&#039;s site](http://amadeus.inria.fr/gaubert/PAPERS/abstract/abstract.html), but it does not cover the most recent &quot;tropical&quot; development.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strictly speaking, in the third example you have to take infinite _infima_, not suprema; you have also to add a minus infinity to ensure they exist (or restrict to bounded sets).  With the latter provision (summing only bounded infinite subsets) all three examples you give enjoy the &#8220;easy summability&#8221; property.  This observation has been systematically developed by the French school (where sigfpe&#8217;s knowledge comes from) and by Russians including [Grigory Litvinov](<a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0009128" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0009128</a>).</p>
<p>The subject is indeed fascinating, and therefore it has been rediscovered several times under different names.  The most recent incarnation is called &#8220;tropical math&#8221; and deals mostly with algebraic geometry; the idea is basically that max-plus algebraic geometry deals with convex polygones instead of algebraic curves.  There is a little known [arXiv article](<a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0005163" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0005163</a>) by Oleg Viro, which makes for a very good and readable introduction into the &#8220;tropical algebraic geometry.&#8221;  More recent literature can easily be found in arXiv if you look for keywords such as &#8220;tropical&#8221; and &#8220;amoeba&#8221;; I also keep a bibliography [at CiteULike](<a href="http://www.citeulike.org/user/ansobol/tag/tropical" rel="nofollow">http://www.citeulike.org/user/ansobol/tag/tropical</a>); sorry for the plug <img src="http://www.arsmathematica.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p>A very complete bibliography up to the late 1990s exists at [StÃ©phane Gaubert&#8217;s site](<a href="http://amadeus.inria.fr/gaubert/PAPERS/abstract/abstract.html" rel="nofollow">http://amadeus.inria.fr/gaubert/PAPERS/abstract/abstract.html</a>), but it does not cover the most recent &#8220;tropical&#8221; development.</p>
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		<title>By: sigfpe</title>
		<link>http://www.arsmathematica.net/2005/10/09/semiring-analogies/#comment-142</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 03:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way, John Baez occasionally talks about semirings in This Week&#039;s Finds but it doesn&#039;t show up in web searches as he calls them &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rig&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rigs&lt;/a&gt;. The Classical/Quantum analogy came from there but I can&#039;t find the exact link again, even with Google.

Anyway...I&#039;m beginning to get obsessed with semirings myself...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, John Baez occasionally talks about semirings in This Week&#8217;s Finds but it doesn&#8217;t show up in web searches as he calls them <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rig" rel="nofollow">rigs</a>. The Classical/Quantum analogy came from there but I can&#8217;t find the exact link again, even with Google.</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230;I&#8217;m beginning to get obsessed with semirings myself&#8230;</p>
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