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		<title>By: Dan P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>michael,

I'm completely serious. I love good science fiction, but now I have to reread my old science fiction books if I need a fix.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m completely serious. I love good science fiction, but now I have to reread my old science fiction books if I need a fix.</p>
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		<title>By: beans</title>
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		<dc:creator>beans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I've already three books from that list! (the LOTR, the Anna Rice one and Harry Potter!)  :/ And there was me thinking that I read a lot!</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Vos Post</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Vos Post</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walt:

That's actually a pretty good hypothesis. I'd accept that there's a SMALLER influence (but nonzero) of Science Fiction on Mathematics as opposed to Physical Sciences.

My parents were both extremely educated in the Arts &#38; Humanties, with degrees magna Cum Laude and Cum Laude in English Literature from Harvard and Northwestern.  Neither knew Math beyond, let's say, the trig that my Dad taught pilots who were students of him when he was an officer flight instructor in World War II.

Yet, embedded in the Literary cosmos of Brooklyn heights, having my parents take to to cocktail parties at Norman Mailers's home, and the like, I was indeed exposed to Math through Science Fiction. It motivated me very strongly, certainly more than my schoolteachers.

Specifically, the influences of which I was most aware included:

(1)  Clifton Fadiman, editor,
Fantasia Mathematica, 1958

Subtitled "a set of stories, together with a group of oddments and diversions, all drawn from the universe of mathematics," this anthology is not aimed at the Ph.D. candidate, but rather the layman. As a result, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to enjoy these quirky tales and poems, from Robert Heinlein's "--And He Built a Crooked House," a story about the difficulties of 4-dimensional home design. [I undersdtand that an entrepreneur today is selling 4-D real estate rights at a large profit]

(2) That led me to to Heinlein's "Rocketship Galileo" where the teenager claim to know enough Math, and the father lectures them on how much more they need to learn.

(3) Fantasia Mathematica alterted me to other authors, whom I explored in the local library, and with the assistance of my pranrts who had in excess of 5,000 books in our home, in the same building where Death of a Salesman author Arthur Miller lived.

(4) My Mom gave me a copy of The Space Child's Mother Goose, by Frederick Winsor, illustrated by Marian Parry, NY: Simon &#38; Schsuter, 1958, which I read and reread until it fell apart.  I didn't "get" all the Math jokes, but they motivated me.

(5) Lewis Carroll.

(6) The Phantom Tollbooth (1961, Alfred A. Knopf) is a children's book and a modern fairy tale full of wordplay and Math play. Written by Norton Juster and illustrated by Jules Feiffer, both of whom lived in our neighborhood and knew my parents, and thus spoke with me face-to-face.

Granted, I had an unsually good access to the Science Fiction and "mundane" literary world, as my parents edited books, but there must be others as influenced as I was, or even more.

My father, by the way, was:

http://www.magicdragon.com/UltimateSF/authorsP.html#SamPost</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walt:</p>
<p>That&#8217;s actually a pretty good hypothesis. I&#8217;d accept that there&#8217;s a SMALLER influence (but nonzero) of Science Fiction on Mathematics as opposed to Physical Sciences.</p>
<p>My parents were both extremely educated in the Arts &amp; Humanties, with degrees magna Cum Laude and Cum Laude in English Literature from Harvard and Northwestern.  Neither knew Math beyond, let&#8217;s say, the trig that my Dad taught pilots who were students of him when he was an officer flight instructor in World War II.</p>
<p>Yet, embedded in the Literary cosmos of Brooklyn heights, having my parents take to to cocktail parties at Norman Mailers&#8217;s home, and the like, I was indeed exposed to Math through Science Fiction. It motivated me very strongly, certainly more than my schoolteachers.</p>
<p>Specifically, the influences of which I was most aware included:</p>
<p>(1)  Clifton Fadiman, editor,<br />
Fantasia Mathematica, 1958</p>
<p>Subtitled &#8220;a set of stories, together with a group of oddments and diversions, all drawn from the universe of mathematics,&#8221; this anthology is not aimed at the Ph.D. candidate, but rather the layman. As a result, it doesn&#8217;t take a rocket scientist to enjoy these quirky tales and poems, from Robert Heinlein&#8217;s &#8220;&#8211;And He Built a Crooked House,&#8221; a story about the difficulties of 4-dimensional home design. [I undersdtand that an entrepreneur today is selling 4-D real estate rights at a large profit]</p>
<p>(2) That led me to to Heinlein&#8217;s &#8220;Rocketship Galileo&#8221; where the teenager claim to know enough Math, and the father lectures them on how much more they need to learn.</p>
<p>(3) Fantasia Mathematica alterted me to other authors, whom I explored in the local library, and with the assistance of my pranrts who had in excess of 5,000 books in our home, in the same building where Death of a Salesman author Arthur Miller lived.</p>
<p>(4) My Mom gave me a copy of The Space Child&#8217;s Mother Goose, by Frederick Winsor, illustrated by Marian Parry, NY: Simon &amp; Schsuter, 1958, which I read and reread until it fell apart.  I didn&#8217;t &#8220;get&#8221; all the Math jokes, but they motivated me.</p>
<p>(5) Lewis Carroll.</p>
<p>(6) The Phantom Tollbooth (1961, Alfred A. Knopf) is a children&#8217;s book and a modern fairy tale full of wordplay and Math play. Written by Norton Juster and illustrated by Jules Feiffer, both of whom lived in our neighborhood and knew my parents, and thus spoke with me face-to-face.</p>
<p>Granted, I had an unsually good access to the Science Fiction and &#8220;mundane&#8221; literary world, as my parents edited books, but there must be others as influenced as I was, or even more.</p>
<p>My father, by the way, was:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.magicdragon.com/UltimateSF/authorsP.html#SamPost" rel="nofollow">http://www.magicdragon.com/UltimateSF/authorsP.html#SamPost</a></p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 03:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the cause and effect is that science fiction makes people want to go into science, but it has no similar effect for mathematics?  That would explain why it features so much more prominently in the culture of the science than in mathematics.</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Vos Post</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't mean to slight Greg Egan, whose work (both fiction and Math/Physics) I adore. I agree with John Baez's list, my bias being that I've worked with Asimov, coauthored twice with Bradbury, was cited in print by Heinlein, and had many face-to-face conversations with Le Guin, Banks, and Robinson.

A little more on 3 of the authors that John Baez mentions, skewed towards the Math/Science angle.  To get the hotlinks, see the web pages from which these are extracted, through
http://www.magicdragon.com/UltimateSF/authors.html

Isaac Asimov, born 2 Jan 1920 Petrovichi Russia, came to US 1923, naturalized 1928, son of Judah and Anna Rachel Berman, married Gertrude Blugerman 2 Jan 1942, children David, Robyn Joan, married Janet Opal Jeppson 30 Nov 1973, 
BS Columbia U. 1939, MA 1941, Ph.D. 1948, Boston U. School of Medicine 1949-, Assoc. Prof. Biochemistry 1955-1979, Prof. 1979-
Died 6 April 1992.
     Hugo Awards: 1973,1977,1983,1992
     Nebula Awards: 1972,1976
     Locus Poll Awards: 1973,1983
    "The End of Eternity" (1955) is selected and praised in "Science Fiction: The 100 
    Best Novels" by David Pringle
In the 1976 Locus poll, asking readers to nominate their favorite author, Isaac Asimov came in #2 (with 238 votes), tieing his 
leadership position with a similar poll in 1973, a 1971 poll in P. 
Schuyler Miller's book review column in Analog, and 
ranking #1 in the 1966 Analog poll.

Ray Bradbury, full name Raymond Douglas Bradbury (1920-):
The Ray Bradbury Page:
     Richard Johnston's and Chris Jepsen's comprehensive bibliography, with  biography, news, quotes, and on-line writings.
     The Ray Bradbury Page is a non-profit site and is in no way 
     connected with Ray Bradbury, Ray Bradbury, Inc., or any book publisher.
          If you have any questions or comments, about The Ray Bradbury Page, 
     please feel free to e-mail me: Chris Jepsen:
     Co-Editor, The Ray Bradbury Page
Ray Bradbury: old, invalid 
Ray Bradbury @ AlphaRalpha
Bradbury, Ray old, invalid?
      Grandmaster of SFWA (and hence Lifetime Active Member of Science Fiction Writers of America) award-nominated SF poems.  Ray Bradbury is one of the immortals among  us, who will be read a thousand years from now by beings on the planets of a thousand stars.
    "The Martian Chronicles" (1950) is selected and praised in "Science Fiction: The 100 Best Novels" by David Pringle
    "Farenheit 451" (1953) is selected and praised in "Science Fiction: The 100 Best Novels" by David Pringle.
In the 1976 Locus poll, asking readers to nominate their 
favorite author, Ray Bradbury came in #14 (with 57 votes), confirming his leadership position at #11 with a similar poll in 1973, #9 in a 1971 poll in P. Schuyler Miller's book review column in Analog, and ranking #9 in the 1966 Analog poll.
    Ray [Douglas] Bradbury, born Waukegan IL 22 Aug 1920, son of Leonard Spaulding Bradbury and Esther Marie Moberg, married Marguerite Susan McClure 27 Sep 1947, children Susan Marguerite, Ramona, Bettina,
     Alexandra...
    Ray Bradbury has also had a number of distinguished co-authors, 
    including: Jonathan Vos Post who is 
    the Co-Webmaster of the Magic Dragon Multimedia domain including The Ultimate Science Fiction Web Guide:
         * "Quatrains from The Martian Chronicles", Ray Bradbury and Jonathan V. Post, 
          [Space and Time, No.81, Spring 1993] ISSN 0271-2512, published twice a year by 
          Space &#38; Time, 138 W. 70th St. (4B), New York, NY, 10023-4432, in association with 
          Emerald City Publishing (C.E.O.: Jonathan V. Post), subscriptions were 2/$10.00 (no longer for sale)

Robert Anson Heinlein, born 7 July 1907 in Butler, Missouri, 
     3rd of seven children of Bam Lyle Heinlein and Rex Ivar Heinlein.
     Moved to Kansas City, MO, during childhood.  Attended a local junior high school, then Central High School in Kansas City, then a year at a  junior college.  Gained appointment from Senator James Reed to enter United States Naval Academy (where his next older brother had gone) in 1925.  Graduated United States Naval Academy and was commissioned in 1929.  Served aboard the Lexington under Captain E. J. King (later commander in chief of U.S. Navy during World War II).  Tranferred as gunnery officer to the destroyer Roper.  Contracted tuberculosis, was cured, and then retired (involuntarily) from active duty.
          At age 27, he needed to supplement his small veteran's pension.   He worked as a silver miner, political campaigner and editor, real estate salesman, studied engineering further, and then entered a writing contest with his first story, "Life-Line", and his astonishing career as an author began.
          He worked at the Philadelphia Naval Air Experimental Station, where he came extremely close to getting the Navy into spaceflight,  twice having his prposals killed, once by the head of the Philadelphia Naval Air Experimental Station, and once when President Truman was misinformed at a Cabinet meeting.
          He was married for the first time, wrote juvenile novels and 
stories for the "slick" magazines such as the Saturday Evening Post.  
     His novel "Space Cadet" (Scribners, 1948) turned into the television series "Tom Corbett: Space Cadet" -- see my website on Science Fiction 
     Television.  TELEVISION
          He co-authored the screenplay of the classic film "Destination Moon", and then was divorced in 1947.  Shortly afterwards, he married Virginia Heinlein, who had worked in his section in Philadelphia.
Died: 8 May 1988.
          He received four Hugo Awards for Best Novel of the Year:
               * Double Star, 1956
               * Starship Troopers, 1959
               * Stranger in a Strange Land, 1962
               * The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, 1966
           He also won the first Grand Master Nebula Award of the Science Fiction Writers of America, the Sequoyah Award for the best  children's novel of the year (Have Space Suit--Will Travel), 
many awards for blood drives, and a posthumous NASA Distinguished Public Service Medal.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,butcher a hog, con a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. 
     Specialization is for insects."
Robert A. Heinlein 
The Dean of American Science Fiction authors
    "The Puppet Masters" (1951) is selected and praised in "Science Fiction: The 100 Best Novels" by David Pringle
    "The Door Into Summer" (1957) is selected and praised in "Science Fiction: The 100 Best Novels" by David Pringle
    "Have Spacesuit-- Will Travel" (1958) is selected and praised in "Science Fiction: The 100 Best Novels" by David Pringle
In the 1976 Locus poll, asking readers to nominate their 
favorite author, Robert A. Heinlein came in #1 (with 297 votes), tieing his leadership position with a similar poll in 1973, a 1971 poll in P. Schuyler Miller's book review column in Analog, and 
ranking #2 in the 1966 Analog poll.
     Regarding "Job: A Comedy of Justice" [1984] see "Afterlife" in: THEOLOGY
Robert A. Heinlein:
     This item from Robert A. Heinlein was read as a speech by Robert A. Heinlein's widow, Virginia Heinlein, when he was posthumously awarded NASA's Distinguished Public Service Medal on October 6, 1988.  
     It was written in 1952, but its truths remain essentially unchanged.
                       THIS I BELIEVE
     "I am not going to talk about religious beliefs but about matters so obvious that it has gone out of style to mention them.  I believe in my neighbors.  I know their faults, and I know that their virtues far outweigh their faults....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to slight Greg Egan, whose work (both fiction and Math/Physics) I adore. I agree with John Baez&#8217;s list, my bias being that I&#8217;ve worked with Asimov, coauthored twice with Bradbury, was cited in print by Heinlein, and had many face-to-face conversations with Le Guin, Banks, and Robinson.</p>
<p>A little more on 3 of the authors that John Baez mentions, skewed towards the Math/Science angle.  To get the hotlinks, see the web pages from which these are extracted, through<br />
<a href="http://www.magicdragon.com/UltimateSF/authors.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.magicdragon.com/UltimateSF/authors.html</a></p>
<p>Isaac Asimov, born 2 Jan 1920 Petrovichi Russia, came to US 1923, naturalized 1928, son of Judah and Anna Rachel Berman, married Gertrude Blugerman 2 Jan 1942, children David, Robyn Joan, married Janet Opal Jeppson 30 Nov 1973,<br />
BS Columbia U. 1939, MA 1941, Ph.D. 1948, Boston U. School of Medicine 1949-, Assoc. Prof. Biochemistry 1955-1979, Prof. 1979-<br />
Died 6 April 1992.<br />
     Hugo Awards: 1973,1977,1983,1992<br />
     Nebula Awards: 1972,1976<br />
     Locus Poll Awards: 1973,1983<br />
    &#8220;The End of Eternity&#8221; (1955) is selected and praised in &#8220;Science Fiction: The 100<br />
    Best Novels&#8221; by David Pringle<br />
In the 1976 Locus poll, asking readers to nominate their favorite author, Isaac Asimov came in #2 (with 238 votes), tieing his<br />
leadership position with a similar poll in 1973, a 1971 poll in P.<br />
Schuyler Miller&#8217;s book review column in Analog, and<br />
ranking #1 in the 1966 Analog poll.</p>
<p>Ray Bradbury, full name Raymond Douglas Bradbury (1920-):<br />
The Ray Bradbury Page:<br />
     Richard Johnston&#8217;s and Chris Jepsen&#8217;s comprehensive bibliography, with  biography, news, quotes, and on-line writings.<br />
     The Ray Bradbury Page is a non-profit site and is in no way<br />
     connected with Ray Bradbury, Ray Bradbury, Inc., or any book publisher.<br />
          If you have any questions or comments, about The Ray Bradbury Page,<br />
     please feel free to e-mail me: Chris Jepsen:<br />
     Co-Editor, The Ray Bradbury Page<br />
Ray Bradbury: old, invalid<br />
Ray Bradbury @ AlphaRalpha<br />
Bradbury, Ray old, invalid?<br />
      Grandmaster of SFWA (and hence Lifetime Active Member of Science Fiction Writers of America) award-nominated SF poems.  Ray Bradbury is one of the immortals among  us, who will be read a thousand years from now by beings on the planets of a thousand stars.<br />
    &#8220;The Martian Chronicles&#8221; (1950) is selected and praised in &#8220;Science Fiction: The 100 Best Novels&#8221; by David Pringle<br />
    &#8220;Farenheit 451&#8243; (1953) is selected and praised in &#8220;Science Fiction: The 100 Best Novels&#8221; by David Pringle.<br />
In the 1976 Locus poll, asking readers to nominate their<br />
favorite author, Ray Bradbury came in #14 (with 57 votes), confirming his leadership position at #11 with a similar poll in 1973, #9 in a 1971 poll in P. Schuyler Miller&#8217;s book review column in Analog, and ranking #9 in the 1966 Analog poll.<br />
    Ray [Douglas] Bradbury, born Waukegan IL 22 Aug 1920, son of Leonard Spaulding Bradbury and Esther Marie Moberg, married Marguerite Susan McClure 27 Sep 1947, children Susan Marguerite, Ramona, Bettina,<br />
     Alexandra&#8230;<br />
    Ray Bradbury has also had a number of distinguished co-authors,<br />
    including: Jonathan Vos Post who is<br />
    the Co-Webmaster of the Magic Dragon Multimedia domain including The Ultimate Science Fiction Web Guide:<br />
         * &#8220;Quatrains from The Martian Chronicles&#8221;, Ray Bradbury and Jonathan V. Post,<br />
          [Space and Time, No.81, Spring 1993] ISSN 0271-2512, published twice a year by<br />
          Space &amp; Time, 138 W. 70th St. (4B), New York, NY, 10023-4432, in association with<br />
          Emerald City Publishing (C.E.O.: Jonathan V. Post), subscriptions were 2/$10.00 (no longer for sale)</p>
<p>Robert Anson Heinlein, born 7 July 1907 in Butler, Missouri,<br />
     3rd of seven children of Bam Lyle Heinlein and Rex Ivar Heinlein.<br />
     Moved to Kansas City, MO, during childhood.  Attended a local junior high school, then Central High School in Kansas City, then a year at a  junior college.  Gained appointment from Senator James Reed to enter United States Naval Academy (where his next older brother had gone) in 1925.  Graduated United States Naval Academy and was commissioned in 1929.  Served aboard the Lexington under Captain E. J. King (later commander in chief of U.S. Navy during World War II).  Tranferred as gunnery officer to the destroyer Roper.  Contracted tuberculosis, was cured, and then retired (involuntarily) from active duty.<br />
          At age 27, he needed to supplement his small veteran&#8217;s pension.   He worked as a silver miner, political campaigner and editor, real estate salesman, studied engineering further, and then entered a writing contest with his first story, &#8220;Life-Line&#8221;, and his astonishing career as an author began.<br />
          He worked at the Philadelphia Naval Air Experimental Station, where he came extremely close to getting the Navy into spaceflight,  twice having his prposals killed, once by the head of the Philadelphia Naval Air Experimental Station, and once when President Truman was misinformed at a Cabinet meeting.<br />
          He was married for the first time, wrote juvenile novels and<br />
stories for the &#8220;slick&#8221; magazines such as the Saturday Evening Post.<br />
     His novel &#8220;Space Cadet&#8221; (Scribners, 1948) turned into the television series &#8220;Tom Corbett: Space Cadet&#8221; &#8212; see my website on Science Fiction<br />
     Television.  TELEVISION<br />
          He co-authored the screenplay of the classic film &#8220;Destination Moon&#8221;, and then was divorced in 1947.  Shortly afterwards, he married Virginia Heinlein, who had worked in his section in Philadelphia.<br />
Died: 8 May 1988.<br />
          He received four Hugo Awards for Best Novel of the Year:<br />
               * Double Star, 1956<br />
               * Starship Troopers, 1959<br />
               * Stranger in a Strange Land, 1962<br />
               * The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, 1966<br />
           He also won the first Grand Master Nebula Award of the Science Fiction Writers of America, the Sequoyah Award for the best  children&#8217;s novel of the year (Have Space Suit&#8211;Will Travel),<br />
many awards for blood drives, and a posthumous NASA Distinguished Public Service Medal.<br />
&#8220;A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,butcher a hog, con a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.<br />
     Specialization is for insects.&#8221;<br />
Robert A. Heinlein<br />
The Dean of American Science Fiction authors<br />
    &#8220;The Puppet Masters&#8221; (1951) is selected and praised in &#8220;Science Fiction: The 100 Best Novels&#8221; by David Pringle<br />
    &#8220;The Door Into Summer&#8221; (1957) is selected and praised in &#8220;Science Fiction: The 100 Best Novels&#8221; by David Pringle<br />
    &#8220;Have Spacesuit&#8211; Will Travel&#8221; (1958) is selected and praised in &#8220;Science Fiction: The 100 Best Novels&#8221; by David Pringle<br />
In the 1976 Locus poll, asking readers to nominate their<br />
favorite author, Robert A. Heinlein came in #1 (with 297 votes), tieing his leadership position with a similar poll in 1973, a 1971 poll in P. Schuyler Miller&#8217;s book review column in Analog, and<br />
ranking #2 in the 1966 Analog poll.<br />
     Regarding &#8220;Job: A Comedy of Justice&#8221; [1984] see &#8220;Afterlife&#8221; in: THEOLOGY<br />
Robert A. Heinlein:<br />
     This item from Robert A. Heinlein was read as a speech by Robert A. Heinlein&#8217;s widow, Virginia Heinlein, when he was posthumously awarded NASA&#8217;s Distinguished Public Service Medal on October 6, 1988.<br />
     It was written in 1952, but its truths remain essentially unchanged.<br />
                       THIS I BELIEVE<br />
     &#8220;I am not going to talk about religious beliefs but about matters so obvious that it has gone out of style to mention them.  I believe in my neighbors.  I know their faults, and I know that their virtues far outweigh their faults&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: John C. Baez</title>
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		<dc:creator>John C. Baez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love SF and have loved it ever since childhood --- starting with Asimov, Heinlein, Bradbury, then on to Tolkien, LeGuin and Lem, then Greg Egan, Iain Banks and Kim Stanley Robinson, and countless others besides.  Life without this stuff is dull.  

Is this because I'm too interested in physics to count as a "pure" mathematician?  

By the way, Greg Egan is &lt;a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0208010" rel="nofollow"&gt;darn good at math&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love SF and have loved it ever since childhood &#8212; starting with Asimov, Heinlein, Bradbury, then on to Tolkien, LeGuin and Lem, then Greg Egan, Iain Banks and Kim Stanley Robinson, and countless others besides.  Life without this stuff is dull.  </p>
<p>Is this because I&#8217;m too interested in physics to count as a &#8220;pure&#8221; mathematician?  </p>
<p>By the way, Greg Egan is <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0208010" rel="nofollow">darn good at math</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Vos Post</title>
		<link>http://www.arsmathematica.net/archives/2007/03/12/math-and-science-fiction/#comment-12878</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Vos Post</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vice and virtue in one package, I suppose. The "culture of mathematics" is too heterogeneous and global for me to know.  But I'm trying to be constructive, not trollish.  Sorry if I hit the wrong tone.

See also:

Mathematics and Science Fiction 
The Fire in the Equations
 Dartmouth College Course 18 
Winter 1999 (12 Hour)
Professors: Davies and Trout
http://www.math.dartmouth.edu/archive/c18w99/public_html/

Note: This is not the entire list of works of Mathematical Fiction. 
What you see below is the subset that meets the following criteria: 
Genre=Science Fiction 
265 matches found out of 598 entries 

http://math.cofc.edu/faculty/kasman/MATHFICT/search.php?go=yes&#38;genre=sf&#38;orderby=title</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vice and virtue in one package, I suppose. The &#8220;culture of mathematics&#8221; is too heterogeneous and global for me to know.  But I&#8217;m trying to be constructive, not trollish.  Sorry if I hit the wrong tone.</p>
<p>See also:</p>
<p>Mathematics and Science Fiction<br />
The Fire in the Equations<br />
 Dartmouth College Course 18<br />
Winter 1999 (12 Hour)<br />
Professors: Davies and Trout<br />
<a href="http://www.math.dartmouth.edu/archive/c18w99/public_html/" rel="nofollow">http://www.math.dartmouth.edu/archive/c18w99/public_html/</a></p>
<p>Note: This is not the entire list of works of Mathematical Fiction.<br />
What you see below is the subset that meets the following criteria:<br />
Genre=Science Fiction<br />
265 matches found out of 598 entries </p>
<p><a href="http://math.cofc.edu/faculty/kasman/MATHFICT/search.php?go=yes&amp;genre=sf&amp;orderby=title" rel="nofollow">http://math.cofc.edu/faculty/kasman/MATHFICT/search.php?go=yes&amp;genre=sf&amp;orderby=title</a></p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cute Dan, very cute.</description>
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		<title>By: sigfpe</title>
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		<dc:creator>sigfpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to read a lot of science fiction but when I finished the last good science fiction novel I had to move on to other genres.

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to read a lot of science fiction but when I finished the last good science fiction novel I had to move on to other genres.</p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, you have succumbed to the biggest vice of Internet discussions: you have misread what I said to be something more excitingly controversial, so that you can argue with that more excitingly controversial position.  I didn't say that few mathematicians read science fiction -- in fact, I'd bet they're probably somewhat more likely than the average person to read science fiction.  It just doesn't seem to loom as large in the culture of mathematics as it does in the culture of the sciences or computers.

I like science fiction just fine, myself, though I don't read very much of it any more.  I've read 35 of the 50 books on Mark CC's list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, you have succumbed to the biggest vice of Internet discussions: you have misread what I said to be something more excitingly controversial, so that you can argue with that more excitingly controversial position.  I didn&#8217;t say that few mathematicians read science fiction &#8212; in fact, I&#8217;d bet they&#8217;re probably somewhat more likely than the average person to read science fiction.  It just doesn&#8217;t seem to loom as large in the culture of mathematics as it does in the culture of the sciences or computers.</p>
<p>I like science fiction just fine, myself, though I don&#8217;t read very much of it any more.  I&#8217;ve read 35 of the 50 books on Mark CC&#8217;s list.</p>
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