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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.arsmathematica.net/archives/2008/09/23/unreasonable-effectiveness-of-mathematics/comment-page-1/#comment-63893</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 06:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The misuse of stochastic calculus cannot be blamed on mathematicians or physicists. The equations used in regards to banking can only give ranges of probable outcome.  You're average mathematician knows this.  

    The fault does not fall on them. It falls on the bankers and investors with calculators who figured smart investments were as easy punching in digits on their calculators. Very poor calculations were made because these bankers had no idea how the equations actually worked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The misuse of stochastic calculus cannot be blamed on mathematicians or physicists. The equations used in regards to banking can only give ranges of probable outcome.  You&#8217;re average mathematician knows this.  </p>
<p>    The fault does not fall on them. It falls on the bankers and investors with calculators who figured smart investments were as easy punching in digits on their calculators. Very poor calculations were made because these bankers had no idea how the equations actually worked.</p>
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		<title>By: Johan Richter</title>
		<link>http://www.arsmathematica.net/archives/2008/09/23/unreasonable-effectiveness-of-mathematics/comment-page-1/#comment-62536</link>
		<dc:creator>Johan Richter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Undoubtedly they also caused the financial crisis as part of their evil plan for revenge, thus making your comment on topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Undoubtedly they also caused the financial crisis as part of their evil plan for revenge, thus making your comment on topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon said</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon said</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having read all this trash and defamatory slander against Mohamed El Naschie on this site, I realized immediately the style and the awkward English of the Author who calls himself Annonymous who is aching about poor Egypt and its media. This is Dr. or Mr. Al Shishtawi whose real name is Said Salah El-Din Hamad. His wife Shadia Al Shishini went to prison for 18 months in Al Khanata Women’s prison near Cairo. The lady went to prison while her husband Said escaped to the USA for nine years. Now his is back to take revenge and he is hiring all internet scum to help him. That is all what there is to it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read all this trash and defamatory slander against Mohamed El Naschie on this site, I realized immediately the style and the awkward English of the Author who calls himself Annonymous who is aching about poor Egypt and its media. This is Dr. or Mr. Al Shishtawi whose real name is Said Salah El-Din Hamad. His wife Shadia Al Shishini went to prison for 18 months in Al Khanata Women’s prison near Cairo. The lady went to prison while her husband Said escaped to the USA for nine years. Now his is back to take revenge and he is hiring all internet scum to help him. That is all what there is to it</p>
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		<title>By: John Armstrong</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Armstrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Do they hire mathematicians as repo men?&lt;/i&gt;

I'm beginning to hope so.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m beginning to hope so.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Vos Post</title>
		<link>http://www.arsmathematica.net/archives/2008/09/23/unreasonable-effectiveness-of-mathematics/comment-page-1/#comment-61970</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Vos Post</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In "Repo Man" (the 1984 film written by Alex Cox, directed by Alex Cox,
produced by Peter McCarthy and Jonathan Wacks, starring Emilio Estevez
and Harry Dean Stanton, music by The Plugz) the infamous car (carrying the alien payload in its trunk) has New Mexico license plates labelled with "127-GBH" and "Land Of Enchantment":

    * "Charged GBH" are a UK hardcore punk rock band. GBH also stands for the British legal phrase, grievous bodily harm.
    * 127 is a Mersenne prime (2^7 - 1) and as such it is the largest integer that can be represented by a signed byte. Additionally, 127 is related to the perfect number 8,128 (Pythagoras studied perfect numbers for their mystical properties). In 1876, 127 was discovered as a double Mersenne number (2^127 - 1) which was and still is the largest prime ever discovered (by hand calculations).
    * At the end of the movie when the entire car is glowing, the car's license plate appears to be mirrored backwards. This mirroring shows that the strange "glowing effect" of the car was partly created using a photographic negative.
[thanks to Wikipedia for filling in some blanks of what I knew had to be my comment to John Baez]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In &#8220;Repo Man&#8221; (the 1984 film written by Alex Cox, directed by Alex Cox,<br />
produced by Peter McCarthy and Jonathan Wacks, starring Emilio Estevez<br />
and Harry Dean Stanton, music by The Plugz) the infamous car (carrying the alien payload in its trunk) has New Mexico license plates labelled with &#8220;127-GBH&#8221; and &#8220;Land Of Enchantment&#8221;:</p>
<p>    * &#8220;Charged GBH&#8221; are a UK hardcore punk rock band. GBH also stands for the British legal phrase, grievous bodily harm.<br />
    * 127 is a Mersenne prime (2^7 - 1) and as such it is the largest integer that can be represented by a signed byte. Additionally, 127 is related to the perfect number 8,128 (Pythagoras studied perfect numbers for their mystical properties). In 1876, 127 was discovered as a double Mersenne number (2^127 - 1) which was and still is the largest prime ever discovered (by hand calculations).<br />
    * At the end of the movie when the entire car is glowing, the car&#8217;s license plate appears to be mirrored backwards. This mirroring shows that the strange &#8220;glowing effect&#8221; of the car was partly created using a photographic negative.<br />
[thanks to Wikipedia for filling in some blanks of what I knew had to be my comment to John Baez]</p>
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		<title>By: John Baez</title>
		<link>http://www.arsmathematica.net/archives/2008/09/23/unreasonable-effectiveness-of-mathematics/comment-page-1/#comment-61969</link>
		<dc:creator>John Baez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do they hire mathematicians as repo men?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do they hire mathematicians as repo men?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Vos Post</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Vos Post</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 04:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For whatever reason, Peter Woit modded out this submission of mine, which is still on-topic here.

#  Jonathan Vos Post Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
September 21st, 2008 at 11:33 am

With all due respect to Physicists who migrated to finance "rocket
science" — their models had too many false assumptions. In particular,
the Black-Scholes equation, in all the textbooks, key to a Nobel prize
in Economics, blithely assuming Gaussian distributions.

This led to Long-Term Capital Management (LTCM), the U.S. hedge fund
which failed spectacularly in the late 1990s, leading to a massive
bailout by other major banks. Now that looks like a beta test of the
current $7×10^11 bailout proposal.

What the physicist-quants did not address was the origin of clustered
volatility in real markets. There are some
physicists-turned-complexity theorists at the Santa Fe Institute who
have a good agent-based model.

Keywords: Heteroskedacity and heteroskedasticity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For whatever reason, Peter Woit modded out this submission of mine, which is still on-topic here.</p>
<p>#  Jonathan Vos Post Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.<br />
September 21st, 2008 at 11:33 am</p>
<p>With all due respect to Physicists who migrated to finance &#8220;rocket<br />
science&#8221; — their models had too many false assumptions. In particular,<br />
the Black-Scholes equation, in all the textbooks, key to a Nobel prize<br />
in Economics, blithely assuming Gaussian distributions.</p>
<p>This led to Long-Term Capital Management (LTCM), the U.S. hedge fund<br />
which failed spectacularly in the late 1990s, leading to a massive<br />
bailout by other major banks. Now that looks like a beta test of the<br />
current $7×10^11 bailout proposal.</p>
<p>What the physicist-quants did not address was the origin of clustered<br />
volatility in real markets. There are some<br />
physicists-turned-complexity theorists at the Santa Fe Institute who<br />
have a good agent-based model.</p>
<p>Keywords: Heteroskedacity and heteroskedasticity.</p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I'm guessing the repo man business will be picking up.  The life of a repo man is always exciting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I&#8217;m guessing the repo man business will be picking up.  The life of a repo man is always exciting.</p>
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		<title>By: ajl</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- Yes firms are hiring.  They are 'upgrading' shall we say, and some are even growing.

- One can get hired as Sanatan says.  One also has to be able (and want) to program.

- Actually if the federal government ends up owning pools of debt, it wouldn't be a bad idea to turn at least part of a national lab over to computable models of correlation with a reasonable number of parameters.  Even if it doesn't make sense to estimate the parameters after such a regime-change in the historical data.  Scenario analysis is still useful.  In fact, even if the government doesn't own the 'bad assets' it's probably still in our national interest to do such research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- Yes firms are hiring.  They are &#8216;upgrading&#8217; shall we say, and some are even growing.</p>
<p>- One can get hired as Sanatan says.  One also has to be able (and want) to program.</p>
<p>- Actually if the federal government ends up owning pools of debt, it wouldn&#8217;t be a bad idea to turn at least part of a national lab over to computable models of correlation with a reasonable number of parameters.  Even if it doesn&#8217;t make sense to estimate the parameters after such a regime-change in the historical data.  Scenario analysis is still useful.  In fact, even if the government doesn&#8217;t own the &#8216;bad assets&#8217; it&#8217;s probably still in our national interest to do such research.</p>
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		<title>By: Johan Richter</title>
		<link>http://www.arsmathematica.net/archives/2008/09/23/unreasonable-effectiveness-of-mathematics/comment-page-1/#comment-61948</link>
		<dc:creator>Johan Richter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should look at this as an argument to subsidize pure math research. "Look what happens when there are mathematicians who have to take private sector employment " we should say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should look at this as an argument to subsidize pure math research. &#8220;Look what happens when there are mathematicians who have to take private sector employment &#8221; we should say.</p>
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