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	<title>Comments on: What is a Statistic?</title>
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		<title>By: Disco</title>
		<link>http://www.arsmathematica.net/archives/2008/11/01/what-is-a-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-62608</link>
		<dc:creator>Disco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all.

At the risk of introducing new terminology, does this definition of a statistic includes a "conditional expectation"?  I guess it does, but conditional expectations are defined to possess certain properties as well as being functions of the data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all.</p>
<p>At the risk of introducing new terminology, does this definition of a statistic includes a &#8220;conditional expectation&#8221;?  I guess it does, but conditional expectations are defined to possess certain properties as well as being functions of the data.</p>
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		<title>By: notedscholar</title>
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		<dc:creator>notedscholar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post. As Todd points out - not maximally interesting, but interesting.

I appreciate the compliments, although do I detect a hint of sarcasm?

Anyway, I'm not sure I like this definition of statistics. The general intuition is that algebra is not statistics, but your definition overlaps both strata.

Also, I would point out that probability distributions are not unique in being abstract. *All* mathematical statements are abstract, however obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post. As Todd points out - not maximally interesting, but interesting.</p>
<p>I appreciate the compliments, although do I detect a hint of sarcasm?</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m not sure I like this definition of statistics. The general intuition is that algebra is not statistics, but your definition overlaps both strata.</p>
<p>Also, I would point out that probability distributions are not unique in being abstract. *All* mathematical statements are abstract, however obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter: thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter: thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Trimble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Trimble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 22:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hellblazer: yes, and you're probably right: it'd best be left to notedscholar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hellblazer: yes, and you&#8217;re probably right: it&#8217;d best be left to notedscholar.</p>
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		<title>By: hellblazer</title>
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		<dc:creator>hellblazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 19:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd, that is a joke, isn't it? (Having spent half an hour looking at notedscholar's blog, and doing some googling, I'm not sure any discussion here could have done justice to his, erm, grand and bold vision.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd, that is a joke, isn&#8217;t it? (Having spent half an hour looking at notedscholar&#8217;s blog, and doing some googling, I&#8217;m not sure any discussion here could have done justice to his, erm, grand and bold vision.)</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 19:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl Pearson objected, "Are we also to introduce the words a mathematic, a physic, an electric etc., for parameters or constants of other branches of science?" (p. 49n of Biometrika, 28, 34-59 1936). 

That one?

Found at Jeff Miller's Earliest Known Uses of Some of the Words of Mathematics page:
http://jeff560.tripod.com/s.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl Pearson objected, &#8220;Are we also to introduce the words a mathematic, a physic, an electric etc., for parameters or constants of other branches of science?&#8221; (p. 49n of Biometrika, 28, 34-59 1936). </p>
<p>That one?</p>
<p>Found at Jeff Miller&#8217;s Earliest Known Uses of Some of the Words of Mathematics page:<br />
<a href="http://jeff560.tripod.com/s.html" rel="nofollow">http://jeff560.tripod.com/s.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walt -- It is not necessarily straightforward to define simple, taken-for-granted, terms.    The Uncertainty in AI (UAI) email list had a very long debate a few years back over the definition of "random variable". 

Alex -- Probability theory (as represented,say, by the axioms of Kolmogorov) provides one basis for the formal representation of  uncertainty, and, subsequently, a basis for decision-making under uncertainty.  But, contrary to the beliefs of many bayesian statisticians, probability theory is not the only way to fomally represent uncertainty, nor even necessarily the most appropriate in any given application domain.  Because, historically, statisticians mostly failed to consider other formalisms, it was left to people outside statistics (in law, in medicine, and latterly, in AI) to consider non-probabilistic formalisms for uncertainty.  These alternative formalisms (eg, Dempster-Shafer Theory, possibility theory) also provide a basis for decision-making under uncertainty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walt &#8212; It is not necessarily straightforward to define simple, taken-for-granted, terms.    The Uncertainty in AI (UAI) email list had a very long debate a few years back over the definition of &#8220;random variable&#8221;. </p>
<p>Alex &#8212; Probability theory (as represented,say, by the axioms of Kolmogorov) provides one basis for the formal representation of  uncertainty, and, subsequently, a basis for decision-making under uncertainty.  But, contrary to the beliefs of many bayesian statisticians, probability theory is not the only way to fomally represent uncertainty, nor even necessarily the most appropriate in any given application domain.  Because, historically, statisticians mostly failed to consider other formalisms, it was left to people outside statistics (in law, in medicine, and latterly, in AI) to consider non-probabilistic formalisms for uncertainty.  These alternative formalisms (eg, Dempster-Shafer Theory, possibility theory) also provide a basis for decision-making under uncertainty.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Trimble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Trimble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"From the request thread, I was hoping for a nice easy softball, maybe from an undergraduate or mathematical amateur. Apparently, though, I have finally scared off anyone other than procrastinating professional mathematicians"

Including notedscholar, who had the better question about irrationality of infinity and irrationality of imaginary numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;From the request thread, I was hoping for a nice easy softball, maybe from an undergraduate or mathematical amateur. Apparently, though, I have finally scared off anyone other than procrastinating professional mathematicians&#8221;</p>
<p>Including notedscholar, who had the better question about irrationality of infinity and irrationality of imaginary numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 09:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, here's a softball question: As I understand it, consensus has not been reached on what a probability actually is, and more generally, on how one should go about making decisions under uncertainty (decision theory). I know that Bayesian probability is applicable to decision theory, and frequentist probability isn't (or at least is difficult to use. So my question is, what are the main other approaches to decision theory than straight Bayesian? I've heard of Pollock's 'nomic probability', but I don't understand it and I don't know whether it's worth my time trying to figure it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here&#8217;s a softball question: As I understand it, consensus has not been reached on what a probability actually is, and more generally, on how one should go about making decisions under uncertainty (decision theory). I know that Bayesian probability is applicable to decision theory, and frequentist probability isn&#8217;t (or at least is difficult to use. So my question is, what are the main other approaches to decision theory than straight Bayesian? I&#8217;ve heard of Pollock&#8217;s &#8216;nomic probability&#8217;, but I don&#8217;t understand it and I don&#8217;t know whether it&#8217;s worth my time trying to figure it out.</p>
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