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		<title>Comment on Applications of Fractional Derivatives by Michael F. Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael F. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 01:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These also turn up in non-extensive definitions of entropy, such as the Tsallis entropy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These also turn up in non-extensive definitions of entropy, such as the Tsallis entropy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Magistra&#8217;s Mathematical Ghost by Jonathan Vos Post</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Vos Post</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 03:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of my notes from graduate Math courses at Caltech, decades later, leave me wondering what alphabet was used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of my notes from graduate Math courses at Caltech, decades later, leave me wondering what alphabet was used.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Applications of Fractional Derivatives by John Cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One application of fractional derivatives is establishing connections between various special functions. The book "An Atlas of Functions" by Oldham et al has a lot of examples, particularly with derivatives of order 1/2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One application of fractional derivatives is establishing connections between various special functions. The book &#8220;An Atlas of Functions&#8221; by Oldham et al has a lot of examples, particularly with derivatives of order 1/2.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Someone&#8217;s Math Teacher Weeps by Scott Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have recently come to believe that for the sake of precalculus we introduce the notion of function in a way that is not pedagogically sound. Let us start talking about lines in the plane and their equations. Let us consider functional parabolas and their equations. Let us freely write the equations of parabloas in the in form (y-k)/A=(x-h)^2. Let us examine absolute value functions. 

Following a thorough discussion of such examples, let us define "expressions" --- (words in +,- ,.,/, radical,x,y,z, etc), and then define equations as relationships between expressions. And the let us LIE! a function is an equation in which one side is y, and the other side is an expression in x. TELL STUDENTS THAT IT IS A LIE, but explain to them that 
it is an operational definition. 

Then after weeks and weeks of algebraic examples of rational, trig, exponential, logarithmic examples, discuss functions as a relationship between two sets so that for each x here is a unique y. 

Abstraction can follow easily from example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have recently come to believe that for the sake of precalculus we introduce the notion of function in a way that is not pedagogically sound. Let us start talking about lines in the plane and their equations. Let us consider functional parabolas and their equations. Let us freely write the equations of parabloas in the in form (y-k)/A=(x-h)^2. Let us examine absolute value functions. </p>
<p>Following a thorough discussion of such examples, let us define &#8220;expressions&#8221; &#8212; (words in +,- ,.,/, radical,x,y,z, etc), and then define equations as relationships between expressions. And the let us LIE! a function is an equation in which one side is y, and the other side is an expression in x. TELL STUDENTS THAT IT IS A LIE, but explain to them that<br />
it is an operational definition. </p>
<p>Then after weeks and weeks of algebraic examples of rational, trig, exponential, logarithmic examples, discuss functions as a relationship between two sets so that for each x here is a unique y. </p>
<p>Abstraction can follow easily from example.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hilbert Space Methods for Differential Equations by John Cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 02:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ralph Showalter was my advisor. I spent a lot of time with his Hilbert space methods book. The first time I heard of using Hilbert space methods to prove PDE existence theorems it seemed like pulling a rabbit out of a hat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralph Showalter was my advisor. I spent a lot of time with his Hilbert space methods book. The first time I heard of using Hilbert space methods to prove PDE existence theorems it seemed like pulling a rabbit out of a hat.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Someone&#8217;s Math Teacher Weeps by Daniel Ezell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Ezell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug:
The most intuitive explanation for functions I have come across is in Kenny Felder's textbook on advanced Algebra. http://cnx.org/content/m18192/latest/
I'd enjoy learning your perspective on his approach.

I had forgotten the distinction between relation and function. Thanks for pointing that out. Functions are a sub-set of relations which passes the vertical test. Both can be described as abstractions of mathematical expressions (though relations appear to have even looser constraints than that, i.e. just a list of ordered pairs). 

I'd love to be able to say that relations report data, and functions extrapolate further data based on the relation, but that just doesn't seem to cut it, either. Can you recommend any further reading for me?

Walt:
Primarily, I didn't grasp the problem solved or question answered by functions. I didn't have a peg on which to hang the hat. The notation, by itself, was not the problem. It was translating it back into English, actually my inability to do so, that kept me back. 

The introduction of functions appears to be a point where mathematical syntax diverges from lingual expression enough to make it a hang up for literary types like me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug:<br />
The most intuitive explanation for functions I have come across is in Kenny Felder&#8217;s textbook on advanced Algebra. <a href="http://cnx.org/content/m18192/latest/" rel="nofollow">http://cnx.org/content/m18192/latest/</a><br />
I&#8217;d enjoy learning your perspective on his approach.</p>
<p>I had forgotten the distinction between relation and function. Thanks for pointing that out. Functions are a sub-set of relations which passes the vertical test. Both can be described as abstractions of mathematical expressions (though relations appear to have even looser constraints than that, i.e. just a list of ordered pairs). </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to be able to say that relations report data, and functions extrapolate further data based on the relation, but that just doesn&#8217;t seem to cut it, either. Can you recommend any further reading for me?</p>
<p>Walt:<br />
Primarily, I didn&#8217;t grasp the problem solved or question answered by functions. I didn&#8217;t have a peg on which to hang the hat. The notation, by itself, was not the problem. It was translating it back into English, actually my inability to do so, that kept me back. </p>
<p>The introduction of functions appears to be a point where mathematical syntax diverges from lingual expression enough to make it a hang up for literary types like me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Someone&#8217;s Math Teacher Weeps by BankersArePayasos</title>
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		<dc:creator>BankersArePayasos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 08:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The commenter admits to having been lazy. That's enough self-recognition to make the commenter far more intelligent than half the students that pass calculus.

The idea of `function' is nothing trivial. I am not even sure why it is introduced so early in such abstract terms. Before the 20th century there was no abstract notion of mappings, an d  words like `function' (or its translation in French or German) generally meant something like a locally defined analytic function, that is something given locally by a power series. Riemann surfaces were invented as a way of coping with multivalued functions (it's normal to teach pre-calculus students something going under some silly name such as the `vertical line test' that says a function cannot be multivalued - but mathematicians use multivalued functions all the time - this is essentially what a closed differential one-form that is not exact is) and it was only after an adequate global geometric language was found that the modern abstract notion of function was formalized in the way we know it now. My point is that the way we talk about functions, even to pre-calculus students, is informed by the categorical/functorial point of view, which is rather sophisticated (at least we don't say `epimorphism' to pre-calc students). What's insane is that we are teaching folks what is a function who have not yet first mastered manipulations with polynomials and trigonometric functions (by the way, to treat the latter in any kind of adequate way without using calculus, it is necessary to present quite a lot of elementary geometry which the typical pre-calc student has not seen at all because of the atrophied presence of plane geometry in the standard curriculum - the power series definition is unmotivated and computationally useless (at least at first) - and differential equations aren't available - so one has to speak directly in terms of angles - this suffices to define the trigonometric functions - but how to compute them? the work is quite serious, even if to us now it seems easy). Moreover, the abstract notion of `function' is wholly unmotivated. Why should a student care?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The commenter admits to having been lazy. That&#8217;s enough self-recognition to make the commenter far more intelligent than half the students that pass calculus.</p>
<p>The idea of `function&#8217; is nothing trivial. I am not even sure why it is introduced so early in such abstract terms. Before the 20th century there was no abstract notion of mappings, an d  words like `function&#8217; (or its translation in French or German) generally meant something like a locally defined analytic function, that is something given locally by a power series. Riemann surfaces were invented as a way of coping with multivalued functions (it&#8217;s normal to teach pre-calculus students something going under some silly name such as the `vertical line test&#8217; that says a function cannot be multivalued - but mathematicians use multivalued functions all the time - this is essentially what a closed differential one-form that is not exact is) and it was only after an adequate global geometric language was found that the modern abstract notion of function was formalized in the way we know it now. My point is that the way we talk about functions, even to pre-calculus students, is informed by the categorical/functorial point of view, which is rather sophisticated (at least we don&#8217;t say `epimorphism&#8217; to pre-calc students). What&#8217;s insane is that we are teaching folks what is a function who have not yet first mastered manipulations with polynomials and trigonometric functions (by the way, to treat the latter in any kind of adequate way without using calculus, it is necessary to present quite a lot of elementary geometry which the typical pre-calc student has not seen at all because of the atrophied presence of plane geometry in the standard curriculum - the power series definition is unmotivated and computationally useless (at least at first) - and differential equations aren&#8217;t available - so one has to speak directly in terms of angles - this suffices to define the trigonometric functions - but how to compute them? the work is quite serious, even if to us now it seems easy). Moreover, the abstract notion of `function&#8217; is wholly unmotivated. Why should a student care?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Someone&#8217;s Math Teacher Weeps by Scott McKuen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott McKuen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 06:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John:  Wow, that's even older than I thought, but I that looks right.  Hopefully I'm not misremembering the little bit of math there was.  I remember specifically that two of the conditions were that you have a progressive tax rate system (not a flat tax), and taxes must fall on individuals, rather than on families, so the total income of the couple does not entirely determine their tax burden - you need to account for how much each of them makes.  Not terribly deep, but the fact that he was writing about the issue from that perspective at all was a pleasant surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:  Wow, that&#8217;s even older than I thought, but I that looks right.  Hopefully I&#8217;m not misremembering the little bit of math there was.  I remember specifically that two of the conditions were that you have a progressive tax rate system (not a flat tax), and taxes must fall on individuals, rather than on families, so the total income of the couple does not entirely determine their tax burden - you need to account for how much each of them makes.  Not terribly deep, but the fact that he was writing about the issue from that perspective at all was a pleasant surprise.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Math GIFs by Unicode Math Entities &#171; Dijkstrabühl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unicode Math Entities &#171; Dijkstrabühl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I just read that there is a collection of Math-GIFs for mathematical symbols. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Someone&#8217;s Math Teacher Weeps by Walt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel:  Interesting.  Was it just the notation that bothered you, or the idea itself?</description>
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